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[双板技术] 求教双板同步

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发表于 2017-1-15 02:37:54 | 只看该作者 |只看大图 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式
     最近去滑了两回,感觉双板同步就是同时旋转很重要,但是有时控制的并不是很好,有时觉得内板容易转过了,或者外板外趴,想求教一下,具体的动作和动作的前后逻辑。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 02:39:52 | 只看该作者
补充一下就是,内板转到后面的时候要内勾,感觉有点别扭,想问一下这是咋回事?

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导致问题的原因是多方面的,主要表现两个,一、新外板发力太早造成入弯内八,二、新内腿内旋造成弯末外八 内板向小脚趾的方向直接翻转,不要有腿部内旋的动作(向内掰外八字),内腿尽量不承力只是保持利刃状态,外  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-15 23:17
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发表于 2017-1-15 15:38:33 | 只看该作者
练横滑降和旋转横滑降吧。
另外,两板不平行,很多情况是内腿承重过大了

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大侠可能没太明白我的意思。  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-15 19:17
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 19:17:19 | 只看该作者
principal 发表于 2017-1-15 15:38
练横滑降和旋转横滑降吧。
另外,两板不平行,很多情况是内腿承重过大了 ...

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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 19:21:18 | 只看该作者
What we do with the inside foot is four things... each is useful, but in combination, they are fantastic:
lighten it
pull it back
tip it
flex it
Most coaching systems are not focusing much instruction towards the inside ski... the good racers all do what's needed, but mostly not because they have focused on it, but because of Darwinian-like selection and all sorts of other cues and directions "keep shins parallel", "tips even", "weight the outside ski" etc. Notably, the PMTS teaching system is an exception.
I think that is a costly mistake:
to start with, that's 50% of the skis/feet/legs we have to work with and the one with the better range of motion and mobility since it is mostly un-weighted
as your skiing improves, you realize that it is mostly about balancing on the outside ski while managing the inside leg/foot/ski (and other body parts not under load).

Light inside ski
Today almost everybody agrees that weight should be mostly on the outside ski, thus the inside ski must be light. You can exaggerate and even lift it off the snow. If you instead put weight on the inside ski, the outside ski will not hold as well and the body cannot get inside the turn as easily.
In fact if you look at photos of racers over the past few decades, you will notice an exaggerated lifting of the inside ski at the beginning of turns - as ski design made skiing easier, this movement has become less and less visible, but it is present in all modern day high performance skiing.
Can you spot it here in the modern still of Mikaela Shiffrin tearing up a WC GS course?

Timing of the weight change is another variable: if you remove the weight while it is still the old outside ski you get an "early release" and the result is a faster transition, throwing you into the new turn faster, while also getting the balance on the new outside ski early.
Tipping the inside boot is a related movement, because by tipping you are also lifting the inside edge off the snow or lightening it.
I do not think "lift" the inside ski, but rather "flex it" to get it light. There is a slight difference that I feel is useful... See flexing below.

Pulling back the inside ski
This is perhaps more important than lifting it, it adds the most benefits to the turn:
moves hips/weight forward
frees up the knees, so they can be tipped into the turn
enhances the steering or turning of the outside ski (steering of a carving ski enhances turning by pressing the tips down further) especially at the beginning of the turn
allows tipping from the ankle and avoids "hip dumping"
enhances proper countering
The cue for pulling back is trying to keep the ski tips even, but truly you are just holding it back so it doesn't shuffle too much in front of the outside ski. As the angles build on steep pitches, the bio-mechanics at play will move it forward anyways, to keep the ankles at the same angle, towards the end of the turn.
As to the timing of the pull back, since it enables tipping, it is the first thing to do, right as you transition: one of the reasons we do it is to bring the hips forward and you want that super-early. Basically, you can think of it like ending the turn with the old outside ski behind the old inside ski (which is also uphill at this point). just try to keep them that way...
In terms of cues, you have "tips even" at the beginning of the turn and touching the inside boot with the outside knee at the end of the turn.
Biomechanically, this is a very important movement. It's opposite is shuffling the inside ski/boot ahead to begin the turn and that will simply close the knee, not allowing an effective tipping anymore. It is extremely easy for you to test this: just shuffle your left leg half a boot ahead and try to tip the knee to the left. Now pull it back and try again - much easier, eh?

Tipping the inside ski
This is a somewhat controversial approach to tipping the skis on edge. As my earlier Pinkie Leads The Way post noted, a focus on tipping the inside ski has more benefits than focusing on the outside ski.
I haven't figured out the bio-mechanics here fully, but tipping the inside ski also drives/enhances the tipping of the outside ski. Some call this effect "phantom tipping".
One thought would be that tipping the ankle/shin on purpose moves the inside knee down, rotate the femur and then also drag the hips thus the outside ski with it into more tipping...
There is a very obvious connection between pulling the inside ski back and tipping it, which you can easily feel for yourself. If you let it slide ahead instead, you can't tip it effectively anymore (reduced range of tipping) and the only thing left to do to put the ski on edge is to dump the hips into the turn. If you focus on pulling it back, then tipping it is natural and the two movements (pull back and tipping), combined, enhance greatly the turning of the outside ski.
If you think practicing this feels like trying to ski telemark with alpine bindings you are on the right path... as you exaggerate it to learn it, it sure feels that way sometimes.

Flexing the inside ski
Flexing is really the mechanism to lighten the inside ski. But, going even further, we can keep flexing it and pulling it to the chest to get maximum angles, since that will pull the body more into the turn.
Keeping the inside leg flexed also allows the knee joint to work better as you tip the ski on edge.

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看了四个要点就觉得是HH的调调,果然后面看到PMTS  发表于 2017-1-15 20:39
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 19:22:37 | 只看该作者
昨晚为了解决这个问题,谷歌到一篇文章觉得有点靠谱,分享一下。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 19:28:22 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 哈哈哈15 于 2017-1-15 19:30 编辑

文章也提到一种理解,就是不是我们在转板子而是我们怎么做能让板子旋转,觉得这种理解很好,下回去滑验证一下。

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为什么 “无立刃,不平行”。。。。。。  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-15 20:22
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发表于 2017-1-15 20:22:08 | 只看该作者
哈哈哈15 发表于 2017-1-15 19:28
文章也提到一种理解,就是不是我们在转板子而是我们怎么做能让板子旋转,觉得这种理解很好,下回去滑验证一 ...

为什么 “无立刃,不平行”。。。。。。

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无立刃,不平行这个理解的不太够,我觉得立刃很重要,可是总觉得是旋转立刃,旋转是立刃的因  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-15 22:53
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-1-15 22:53:22 | 只看该作者
阿拉布 发表于 2017-1-15 20:22
为什么 “无立刃,不平行”。。。。。。

无立刃,不平行这个理解的不太够,我觉得立刃很重要,可是总觉得是旋转立刃,旋转是立刃的因

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基本概念都没吃透。 论坛上过度强调旋转有一阵子了,我一直比较反对,过犹不及。PSIA过度重视旋转,CSIA比较中性,但在咱这论坛里也有点过头了。 旋转与立刃的关系,去年就掰扯过一回:立刃和轴转的关系 今年懒的  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-15 23:38
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发表于 2017-1-15 23:17:33 | 只看该作者
哈哈哈15 发表于 2017-1-15 02:39
补充一下就是,内板转到后面的时候要内勾,感觉有点别扭,想问一下这是咋回事? ...

导致问题的原因是多方面的,主要表现两个,一、新外板发力太早造成入弯内八,二、新内腿内旋造成弯末外八
内板向小脚趾的方向直接翻转,不要有腿部内旋的动作(向内掰外八字),内腿尽量不承力只是保持利刃状态,外板向大脚趾的指球关节(大脚趾后部的大骨头那处的脚掌)处翻转,尽量吃住撑稳
内板关注动作,外板关注立刃承力
发力不要太早,要给雪板同步立刃的时间

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理论上好像是这样,可是实践中不好操作。  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-16 20:56
内板向小指方向翻转,是否可以理解为雪板垂直方向向弯内翻倒形成立刃?立刃是想要的结果,其它交给雪板了  详情 回复 发表于 2017-1-16 10:41
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